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How digital giants are transforming our societies

Have digital giants taken control?

with Joëlle Toledano, Emeritus Professor of Economics at Université Paris Dauphine and Charles Thibout, Associate Doctor at CESSP and Associate Researcher at IRIS
On April 16th, 2025 |
6 min reading time
Capture d’écran 2025-03-26 à 13.38.32
Joëlle Toledano
Emeritus Professor of Economics at Université Paris Dauphine
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Charles Thibout
Associate Doctor at CESSP and Associate Researcher at IRIS
Key takeaways
  • Big Tech companies have created tools that have become so indispensable that they are redefining the way we communicate, inform ourselves and even consume.
  • Many businesses, for example, must comply with Amazon’s commercial rules to improve their sales.
  • Today, Google is “indigenising” itself in France, notably by obtaining a seat on the board of directors of the Paris section of MEDEF in 2013.
  • Big Tech companies are capable of standing up to national institutions, as evidenced by the standoff between Google and Facebook and the Australian government in 2021.
  • The total R&D budget in France, public and private combined, is 60 billion euros, compared to 200 billion dollars for GAFAM, almost exclusively for digital.

Our lives today are shaped by a hand­ful of omni­present play­ers. Google determ­ines our access to know­ledge, Amazon gov­erns our pur­chases, and Meta orches­trates our social inter­ac­tions. Behind these giants, the same “win­ner takes all” logic dom­in­ates. Joëlle Toledano, pro­fess­or emer­it­us and mem­ber of the Nation­al Digit­al Coun­cil (CNNUM), deciphered this dynam­ic in her book “GAFA, repren­ons le pouvoir en 2020” (GAFA, let’s take back the power in 2020). Charles Thi­bout, who has a doc­tor­ate in polit­ic­al sci­ence and is an asso­ci­ate research­er at the Insti­tute for Inter­na­tion­al and Stra­tegic Rela­tions (IRIS), has focused on the spe­cif­ic case of Google in France, hav­ing devoted his thes­is, defen­ded in Octo­ber 2024, to this subject.

How have Big Tech companies come to dominate our lives today?

Joëlle Toledano. These play­ers began by estab­lish­ing their dom­in­ance over ser­vices that won pub­lic sup­port, such as Google with its search engine or the social net­work Face­book. An eco­nomy of fixed costs, growth in these digit­al ser­vices that eco­nom­ists call “plat­forms” can be deployed with pro­por­tion­ally lim­ited costs and power­ful net­work effects, mak­ing the ser­vice increas­ingly attract­ive. Each new user makes the ser­vice more attract­ive, the tar­geted advert­ising more inter­est­ing and the com­pet­i­tion more dif­fi­cult. Sales and profits increase with data fed into algorithms. As a res­ult, an almost ines­cap­able mono­poly gradu­ally sets in, leav­ing little room for viable altern­at­ives. Admit­tedly, Tik­Tok has made its mark, and OpenAI and its com­pet­it­ors are try­ing to take Google’s place, but to date, Meta and Google still dom­in­ate to a very large extent, not only in terms of usage, but also by steal­ing the advert­ising mar­kets that serve as ‘cash cows’ to pre­pare for the future.

How did we become dependent on Big Tech?

Their products have become indis­pens­able to the point of rede­fin­ing the way we com­mu­nic­ate, get inform­a­tion and even the way we con­sume. How­ever, these com­pan­ies were not born out of a need pre­vi­ously expressed by their users, but rather out of the desire to cre­ate a new need. Today, cut­ting your­self off from social media could have both per­son­al and pro­fes­sion­al con­sequences. So, let’s not even talk about get­ting away from a tool as use­ful as the Google search engine. All the same, we must be care­ful not to take an entirely neg­at­ive view of these com­pan­ies [Editor’s note: the eco­nom­ic and polit­ic­al influ­ence due to the mar­ket power of these com­pan­ies]. Because their profits are also sig­ni­fic­ant, which shows that there was a real need for them.

How­ever, it is not enough to cre­ate a need that revolu­tion­ises the lives of users to ensure a sub­stan­tial eco­nom­ic income. Each of these play­ers seeks to cre­ate a world that you would have no desire or interest in leav­ing. It is an eco­nomy that revolves around the user­’s atten­tion and avail­able brain time, so that they con­sume advertising.

In addi­tion, the indis­pens­ab­il­ity of a com­mer­cial ser­vice, such as Amazon, also leaves very little choice for traders wish­ing to take advant­age of it. The plat­form, in its terms of use, has estab­lished a num­ber of rules to be fol­lowed. The e‑commerce giant there­fore reserves the right, via its algorithms, to decide how oth­er traders access their ser­vice. The eco­nom­ic advant­ages of hav­ing a busi­ness on this site are such that, for some, com­ply­ing with the rules and pur­chas­ing Amazon’s logist­ics ser­vices or advert­ising can become a neces­sity. The com­pany thus becomes the total mas­ter of the com­mer­cial mar­ket, and also of part of the loc­al eco­nomy of the coun­tries in which it has estab­lished itself. And speak­ing of Amazon, their strength is also due to their AWS cloud ser­vice. There are a sig­ni­fic­ant num­ber of com­pan­ies that depend on it today. As is the case with the num­ber of eco­nom­ic play­ers in each coun­try that depend on net­works for their mar­ket­ing communications.

How did a company like Google manage to gradually establish itself in France?

Charles Thi­bout. Rela­tions between states and mul­tina­tion­als have always exis­ted, even if they fluc­tu­ate. There has nev­er really been a clear split between the pub­lic and private spheres. Power is nev­er totally in the hands of a par­tic­u­lar insti­tu­tion or act­or. It will always be the res­ult of nego­ti­ations between dif­fer­ent act­ors. And, depend­ing on the his­tor­ic­al con­text, cer­tain types of com­pan­ies, depend­ing on their own strengths, will have an advant­age over oth­ers in these nego­ti­ations. Today, in the digit­al age, the web giants inev­it­ably have more weight.

Google’s estab­lish­ment in France was still fraught with dif­fi­culties. From 2003, a year after the cre­ation of its Parisi­an sub­si­di­ary, Google suffered attacks from vari­ous French eco­nom­ic sec­tors. In fact, its arrival unsettled many people, and the polit­ic­al author­it­ies quickly became involved. Not­ably in 2005, with Jacques Chir­ac try­ing to ini­ti­ate European pro­jects aimed at com­pet­ing with the Amer­ic­an giant. This pro­ject was not suc­cess­ful, but it demon­strated France’s desire to safe­guard its nation­al sov­er­eignty. French mis­trust of Google would even­tu­ally fade from 2010 onwards, and its image would shift towards that of a poten­tial part­ner in pub­lic policy. It was at that point that Google would be seen, in polit­ics, as a means of show­cas­ing the abil­ity to inter­vene and act on the world, even though all the indic­at­ors of polit­ic­al impot­ence were there. We see this, for example, with the use of Google tech­no­lo­gies by the tax author­it­ies. The per­cep­tion of the mul­tina­tion­al is chan­ging, French politi­cians are now seek­ing to attract these giants to France and con­vert their cap­it­al into polit­ic­al resources.

Since then, has Google established itself as a French economic player?

CT. Under Hollande’s five-year term, a slight dip could still be observed. In addi­tion, a tax search of the multinational’s Par­is offices took place in 2016. This event, jus­ti­fied by a tax adjust­ment pro­ced­ure, was exper­i­enced by employ­ees as a real attack, with par­tic­u­larly dam­aging effects on the image of their com­pany. Google is the first com­pany in France to under­go such a pro­ced­ure on this scale. Its reac­tion was to do everything it could to reappear as a nor­mal, respons­ible com­pany. And, as such, to be able to bene­fit from the same priv­ileges as large French companies.

A recent Stan­ford report high­lighted that around 70% of PhDs spe­cial­ising in AI end up in the private sec­tor, and only 20% in academia.

Google then decided to become French through a pro­cess called the “indi­gen­isa­tion” of the com­pany. This pro­cess involves two things. First, it is neces­sary to recruit French staff, but also staff in high pos­i­tions in the polit­ic­al and admin­is­trat­ive field, such as former seni­or civil ser­vants. Then, it will be neces­sary to build a sys­tem of alli­ances with oth­er French eco­nom­ic play­ers. These alli­ances would become a major ele­ment of Google’s indi­gen­isa­tion strategy dur­ing the 2010s, once the recruit­ment of seni­or civil ser­vants showed all its lim­it­a­tions in terms of strength­en­ing ties with the polit­ic­al author­it­ies. In 2013, Google obtained a seat on the board of dir­ect­ors of the Parisi­an sec­tion of MEDEF: an anchor­ing in the field of employ­er rep­res­ent­a­tion that reflec­ted the grow­ing influ­ence of the com­pany, and more gen­er­ally of digit­al tech­no­lo­gies, in the eco­nom­ic mod­el of French companies.

The com­pany has there­fore estab­lished itself as a French eco­nom­ic play­er which, through the ser­vices it offers, helps the devel­op­ment of oth­er French com­pan­ies. In addi­tion to becom­ing a “French com­pany”, it has become a cent­ral play­er in the nation­al eco­nom­ic field.

What is the relationship between Big Tech and institutional power?

JT. This vital­ness, grant­ing such eco­nom­ic power to these giants, even extends to polit­ic­al com­mu­nic­a­tion. The Aus­trali­an law debate in 2021 is a good example. Aus­tralia wanted Google and Meta to pay the country’s press bet­ter. This pro­voked a stan­doff between the two web giants on the one hand, and the country’s gov­ern­ment on the oth­er. Although this tug-of-war failed to get the bill amended, and it became law the fol­low­ing year, sev­er­al ele­ments emerged from the con­flict. To sig­nal its oppos­i­tion to the ini­tial terms of the bill, Face­book went so far as to block Aus­trali­ans’ access not only to news on its plat­form, but also to gov­ern­ment sites provid­ing sens­it­ive inform­a­tion to Aus­trali­ans (relief, etc.). Essen­tially, the pub­lic author­it­ies depended on this net­work. The res­ult was that min­is­tries found them­selves without com­mu­nic­a­tion chan­nels. In the end, Aus­tralia did pass a law, but only after mak­ing changes that made it more accept­able to Meta and Google.

These companies also have significant influence in the field of digital research and development, don’t they?

It is true that anoth­er source of influ­ence, and not an insig­ni­fic­ant one, has to do with research. The total budget for R&D in France, includ­ing both pub­lic and private funds, is €60bn. For the GAFAM, it is $200bn – almost exclus­ively for digit­al tech­no­logy. The vast major­ity of AI research spend­ing today comes from these com­pan­ies, and with this kind of budget, they can also afford to set the dir­ec­tion for future research. This power also implies some­thing else in the research world. A recent Stan­ford report high­lighted that around 70% of PhDs spe­cial­ising in AI end up in the private sec­tor, and only 20% in aca­demia. Ten years earli­er, it was 40% in the private sec­tor and 40% in universities. 

The phe­nomen­on of depend­ence is there­fore likely to recur for future innov­a­tions, such as gen­er­at­ive AI. It is all based on a desire for their eco­nom­ic power to last, to con­tin­ue to grow and to stay ahead of the com­pet­i­tion; the rest is just col­lat­er­al dam­age. And it’s not a ques­tion of nation­al­ity. It’s a safe bet that if a French com­pany had sim­il­ar power, with the same reg­u­la­tions, its object­ives would not be any dif­fer­ent. What needs to be chal­lenged is the busi­ness mod­el of these online plat­forms. In my book, I pro­pose a reg­u­lat­ory mod­el that sim­ul­tan­eously tackles the mar­ket power of the dom­in­ant digit­al play­ers while deal­ing with the prob­lems of con­tent, be it online com­merce or social net­works. This is an essen­tial con­di­tion for regain­ing power. But of course it’s only a pre­con­di­tion for devel­op­ing our own sys­tems – it won’t hap­pen overnight.

In con­clu­sion, and fur­ther to the com­ments of our research­ers, we should men­tion gen­er­at­ive AI, which can be seen as the next major chal­lenge: will we have the capa­city to devel­op our own mod­el, as the Chinese have done with Deep­Seek, or will his­tory simply repeat itself?

Interview by Pablo Andres

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