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How digital giants are transforming our societies

Have digital giants taken control?

avec Joëlle Toledano, Emeritus Professor of Economics at Université Paris Dauphine and Charles Thibout, Associate Doctor at CESSP and Associate Researcher at IRIS
On April 16th, 2025 |
6 min reading time
Capture d’écran 2025-03-26 à 13.38.32
Joëlle Toledano
Emeritus Professor of Economics at Université Paris Dauphine
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Charles Thibout
Associate Doctor at CESSP and Associate Researcher at IRIS
Key takeaways
  • Big Tech companies have created tools that have become so indispensable that they are redefining the way we communicate, inform ourselves and even consume.
  • Many businesses, for example, must comply with Amazon’s commercial rules to improve their sales.
  • Today, Google is “indigenising” itself in France, notably by obtaining a seat on the board of directors of the Paris section of MEDEF in 2013.
  • Big Tech companies are capable of standing up to national institutions, as evidenced by the standoff between Google and Facebook and the Australian government in 2021.
  • The total R&D budget in France, public and private combined, is 60 billion euros, compared to 200 billion dollars for GAFAM, almost exclusively for digital.

Our lives today are shaped by a hand­ful of omnipresent play­ers. Google deter­mines our access to knowl­edge, Ama­zon gov­erns our pur­chas­es, and Meta orches­trates our social inter­ac­tions. Behind these giants, the same “win­ner takes all” log­ic dom­i­nates. Joëlle Toledano, pro­fes­sor emer­i­tus and mem­ber of the Nation­al Dig­i­tal Coun­cil (CNNUM), deci­phered this dynam­ic in her book “GAFA, reprenons le pou­voir en 2020” (GAFA, let’s take back the pow­er in 2020). Charles Thi­bout, who has a doc­tor­ate in polit­i­cal sci­ence and is an asso­ciate researcher at the Insti­tute for Inter­na­tion­al and Strate­gic Rela­tions (IRIS), has focused on the spe­cif­ic case of Google in France, hav­ing devot­ed his the­sis, defend­ed in Octo­ber 2024, to this subject.

How have Big Tech companies come to dominate our lives today?

Joëlle Toledano. These play­ers began by estab­lish­ing their dom­i­nance over ser­vices that won pub­lic sup­port, such as Google with its search engine or the social net­work Face­book. An econ­o­my of fixed costs, growth in these dig­i­tal ser­vices that econ­o­mists call “plat­forms” can be deployed with pro­por­tion­al­ly lim­it­ed costs and pow­er­ful net­work effects, mak­ing the ser­vice increas­ing­ly attrac­tive. Each new user makes the ser­vice more attrac­tive, the tar­get­ed adver­tis­ing more inter­est­ing and the com­pe­ti­tion more dif­fi­cult. Sales and prof­its increase with data fed into algo­rithms. As a result, an almost inescapable monop­oly grad­u­al­ly sets in, leav­ing lit­tle room for viable alter­na­tives. Admit­ted­ly, Tik­Tok has made its mark, and Ope­nAI and its com­peti­tors are try­ing to take Google’s place, but to date, Meta and Google still dom­i­nate to a very large extent, not only in terms of usage, but also by steal­ing the adver­tis­ing mar­kets that serve as ‘cash cows’ to pre­pare for the future.

How did we become dependent on Big Tech?

Their prod­ucts have become indis­pens­able to the point of redefin­ing the way we com­mu­ni­cate, get infor­ma­tion and even the way we con­sume. How­ev­er, these com­pa­nies were not born out of a need pre­vi­ous­ly expressed by their users, but rather out of the desire to cre­ate a new need. Today, cut­ting your­self off from social media could have both per­son­al and pro­fes­sion­al con­se­quences. So, let’s not even talk about get­ting away from a tool as use­ful as the Google search engine. All the same, we must be care­ful not to take an entire­ly neg­a­tive view of these com­pa­nies [Editor’s note: the eco­nom­ic and polit­i­cal influ­ence due to the mar­ket pow­er of these com­pa­nies]. Because their prof­its are also sig­nif­i­cant, which shows that there was a real need for them.

How­ev­er, it is not enough to cre­ate a need that rev­o­lu­tionis­es the lives of users to ensure a sub­stan­tial eco­nom­ic income. Each of these play­ers seeks to cre­ate a world that you would have no desire or inter­est in leav­ing. It is an econ­o­my that revolves around the user’s atten­tion and avail­able brain time, so that they con­sume advertising.

In addi­tion, the indis­pens­abil­i­ty of a com­mer­cial ser­vice, such as Ama­zon, also leaves very lit­tle choice for traders wish­ing to take advan­tage of it. The plat­form, in its terms of use, has estab­lished a num­ber of rules to be fol­lowed. The e‑commerce giant there­fore reserves the right, via its algo­rithms, to decide how oth­er traders access their ser­vice. The eco­nom­ic advan­tages of hav­ing a busi­ness on this site are such that, for some, com­ply­ing with the rules and pur­chas­ing Amazon’s logis­tics ser­vices or adver­tis­ing can become a neces­si­ty. The com­pa­ny thus becomes the total mas­ter of the com­mer­cial mar­ket, and also of part of the local econ­o­my of the coun­tries in which it has estab­lished itself. And speak­ing of Ama­zon, their strength is also due to their AWS cloud ser­vice. There are a sig­nif­i­cant num­ber of com­pa­nies that depend on it today. As is the case with the num­ber of eco­nom­ic play­ers in each coun­try that depend on net­works for their mar­ket­ing communications.

How did a company like Google manage to gradually establish itself in France?

Charles Thi­bout. Rela­tions between states and multi­na­tion­als have always exist­ed, even if they fluc­tu­ate. There has nev­er real­ly been a clear split between the pub­lic and pri­vate spheres. Pow­er is nev­er total­ly in the hands of a par­tic­u­lar insti­tu­tion or actor. It will always be the result of nego­ti­a­tions between dif­fer­ent actors. And, depend­ing on the his­tor­i­cal con­text, cer­tain types of com­pa­nies, depend­ing on their own strengths, will have an advan­tage over oth­ers in these nego­ti­a­tions. Today, in the dig­i­tal age, the web giants inevitably have more weight.

Google’s estab­lish­ment in France was still fraught with dif­fi­cul­ties. From 2003, a year after the cre­ation of its Parisian sub­sidiary, Google suf­fered attacks from var­i­ous French eco­nom­ic sec­tors. In fact, its arrival unset­tled many peo­ple, and the polit­i­cal author­i­ties quick­ly became involved. Notably in 2005, with Jacques Chirac try­ing to ini­ti­ate Euro­pean projects aimed at com­pet­ing with the Amer­i­can giant. This project was not suc­cess­ful, but it demon­strat­ed France’s desire to safe­guard its nation­al sov­er­eign­ty. French mis­trust of Google would even­tu­al­ly fade from 2010 onwards, and its image would shift towards that of a poten­tial part­ner in pub­lic pol­i­cy. It was at that point that Google would be seen, in pol­i­tics, as a means of show­cas­ing the abil­i­ty to inter­vene and act on the world, even though all the indi­ca­tors of polit­i­cal impo­tence were there. We see this, for exam­ple, with the use of Google tech­nolo­gies by the tax author­i­ties. The per­cep­tion of the multi­na­tion­al is chang­ing, French politi­cians are now seek­ing to attract these giants to France and con­vert their cap­i­tal into polit­i­cal resources.

Since then, has Google established itself as a French economic player?

CT. Under Hollande’s five-year term, a slight dip could still be observed. In addi­tion, a tax search of the multinational’s Paris offices took place in 2016. This event, jus­ti­fied by a tax adjust­ment pro­ce­dure, was expe­ri­enced by employ­ees as a real attack, with par­tic­u­lar­ly dam­ag­ing effects on the image of their com­pa­ny. Google is the first com­pa­ny in France to under­go such a pro­ce­dure on this scale. Its reac­tion was to do every­thing it could to reap­pear as a nor­mal, respon­si­ble com­pa­ny. And, as such, to be able to ben­e­fit from the same priv­i­leges as large French companies.

A recent Stan­ford report high­light­ed that around 70% of PhDs spe­cial­is­ing in AI end up in the pri­vate sec­tor, and only 20% in academia.

Google then decid­ed to become French through a process called the “indi­geni­sa­tion” of the com­pa­ny. This process involves two things. First, it is nec­es­sary to recruit French staff, but also staff in high posi­tions in the polit­i­cal and admin­is­tra­tive field, such as for­mer senior civ­il ser­vants. Then, it will be nec­es­sary to build a sys­tem of alliances with oth­er French eco­nom­ic play­ers. These alliances would become a major ele­ment of Google’s indi­geni­sa­tion strat­e­gy dur­ing the 2010s, once the recruit­ment of senior civ­il ser­vants showed all its lim­i­ta­tions in terms of strength­en­ing ties with the polit­i­cal author­i­ties. In 2013, Google obtained a seat on the board of direc­tors of the Parisian sec­tion of MEDEF: an anchor­ing in the field of employ­er rep­re­sen­ta­tion that reflect­ed the grow­ing influ­ence of the com­pa­ny, and more gen­er­al­ly of dig­i­tal tech­nolo­gies, in the eco­nom­ic mod­el of French companies.

The com­pa­ny has there­fore estab­lished itself as a French eco­nom­ic play­er which, through the ser­vices it offers, helps the devel­op­ment of oth­er French com­pa­nies. In addi­tion to becom­ing a “French com­pa­ny”, it has become a cen­tral play­er in the nation­al eco­nom­ic field.

What is the relationship between Big Tech and institutional power?

JT. This vital­ness, grant­i­ng such eco­nom­ic pow­er to these giants, even extends to polit­i­cal com­mu­ni­ca­tion. The Aus­tralian law debate in 2021 is a good exam­ple. Aus­tralia want­ed Google and Meta to pay the country’s press bet­ter. This pro­voked a stand­off between the two web giants on the one hand, and the country’s gov­ern­ment on the oth­er. Although this tug-of-war failed to get the bill amend­ed, and it became law the fol­low­ing year, sev­er­al ele­ments emerged from the con­flict. To sig­nal its oppo­si­tion to the ini­tial terms of the bill, Face­book went so far as to block Aus­tralians’ access not only to news on its plat­form, but also to gov­ern­ment sites pro­vid­ing sen­si­tive infor­ma­tion to Aus­tralians (relief, etc.). Essen­tial­ly, the pub­lic author­i­ties depend­ed on this net­work. The result was that min­istries found them­selves with­out com­mu­ni­ca­tion chan­nels. In the end, Aus­tralia did pass a law, but only after mak­ing changes that made it more accept­able to Meta and Google.

These companies also have significant influence in the field of digital research and development, don’t they?

It is true that anoth­er source of influ­ence, and not an insignif­i­cant one, has to do with research. The total bud­get for R&D in France, includ­ing both pub­lic and pri­vate funds, is €60bn. For the GAFAM, it is $200bn – almost exclu­sive­ly for dig­i­tal tech­nol­o­gy. The vast major­i­ty of AI research spend­ing today comes from these com­pa­nies, and with this kind of bud­get, they can also afford to set the direc­tion for future research. This pow­er also implies some­thing else in the research world. A recent Stan­ford report high­light­ed that around 70% of PhDs spe­cial­is­ing in AI end up in the pri­vate sec­tor, and only 20% in acad­e­mia. Ten years ear­li­er, it was 40% in the pri­vate sec­tor and 40% in universities. 

The phe­nom­e­non of depen­dence is there­fore like­ly to recur for future inno­va­tions, such as gen­er­a­tive AI. It is all based on a desire for their eco­nom­ic pow­er to last, to con­tin­ue to grow and to stay ahead of the com­pe­ti­tion; the rest is just col­lat­er­al dam­age. And it’s not a ques­tion of nation­al­i­ty. It’s a safe bet that if a French com­pa­ny had sim­i­lar pow­er, with the same reg­u­la­tions, its objec­tives would not be any dif­fer­ent. What needs to be chal­lenged is the busi­ness mod­el of these online plat­forms. In my book, I pro­pose a reg­u­la­to­ry mod­el that simul­ta­ne­ous­ly tack­les the mar­ket pow­er of the dom­i­nant dig­i­tal play­ers while deal­ing with the prob­lems of con­tent, be it online com­merce or social net­works. This is an essen­tial con­di­tion for regain­ing pow­er. But of course it’s only a pre­con­di­tion for devel­op­ing our own sys­tems – it won’t hap­pen overnight.

In con­clu­sion, and fur­ther to the com­ments of our researchers, we should men­tion gen­er­a­tive AI, which can be seen as the next major chal­lenge: will we have the capac­i­ty to devel­op our own mod­el, as the Chi­nese have done with DeepSeek, or will his­to­ry sim­ply repeat itself?

Interview by Pablo Andres

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