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How digital giants are transforming our societies

Have digital giants taken control ?

with Joëlle Toledano, Emeritus Professor of Economics at Université Paris Dauphine and Charles Thibout, Associate Doctor at CESSP and Associate Researcher at IRIS
On April 16th, 2025 |
6 min reading time
Capture d’écran 2025-03-26 à 13.38.32
Joëlle Toledano
Emeritus Professor of Economics at Université Paris Dauphine
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Charles Thibout
Associate Doctor at CESSP and Associate Researcher at IRIS
Key takeaways
  • Big Tech companies have created tools that have become so indispensable that they are redefining the way we communicate, inform ourselves and even consume.
  • Many businesses, for example, must comply with Amazon’s commercial rules to improve their sales.
  • Today, Google is “indigenising” itself in France, notably by obtaining a seat on the board of directors of the Paris section of MEDEF in 2013.
  • Big Tech companies are capable of standing up to national institutions, as evidenced by the standoff between Google and Facebook and the Australian government in 2021.
  • The total R&D budget in France, public and private combined, is 60 billion euros, compared to 200 billion dollars for GAFAM, almost exclusively for digital.

Our lives today are sha­ped by a hand­ful of omni­present players. Google deter­mines our access to know­ledge, Ama­zon governs our pur­chases, and Meta orches­trates our social inter­ac­tions. Behind these giants, the same “win­ner takes all” logic domi­nates. Joëlle Tole­da­no, pro­fes­sor eme­ri­tus and mem­ber of the Natio­nal Digi­tal Coun­cil (CNNUM), deci­phe­red this dyna­mic in her book “GAFA, repre­nons le pou­voir en 2020” (GAFA, let’s take back the power in 2020). Charles Thi­bout, who has a doc­to­rate in poli­ti­cal science and is an asso­ciate resear­cher at the Ins­ti­tute for Inter­na­tio­nal and Stra­te­gic Rela­tions (IRIS), has focu­sed on the spe­ci­fic case of Google in France, having devo­ted his the­sis, defen­ded in Octo­ber 2024, to this subject.

How have Big Tech companies come to dominate our lives today ?

Joëlle Tole­da­no. These players began by esta­bli­shing their domi­nance over ser­vices that won public sup­port, such as Google with its search engine or the social net­work Face­book. An eco­no­my of fixed costs, growth in these digi­tal ser­vices that eco­no­mists call “plat­forms” can be deployed with pro­por­tio­nal­ly limi­ted costs and power­ful net­work effects, making the ser­vice increa­sin­gly attrac­tive. Each new user makes the ser­vice more attrac­tive, the tar­ge­ted adver­ti­sing more inter­es­ting and the com­pe­ti­tion more dif­fi­cult. Sales and pro­fits increase with data fed into algo­rithms. As a result, an almost ines­ca­pable mono­po­ly gra­dual­ly sets in, lea­ving lit­tle room for viable alter­na­tives. Admit­ted­ly, Tik­Tok has made its mark, and Ope­nAI and its com­pe­ti­tors are trying to take Goo­gle’s place, but to date, Meta and Google still domi­nate to a very large extent, not only in terms of usage, but also by stea­ling the adver­ti­sing mar­kets that serve as ‘cash cows’ to pre­pare for the future.

How did we become dependent on Big Tech ?

Their pro­ducts have become indis­pen­sable to the point of rede­fi­ning the way we com­mu­ni­cate, get infor­ma­tion and even the way we consume. Howe­ver, these com­pa­nies were not born out of a need pre­vious­ly expres­sed by their users, but rather out of the desire to create a new need. Today, cut­ting your­self off from social media could have both per­so­nal and pro­fes­sio­nal conse­quences. So, let’s not even talk about get­ting away from a tool as use­ful as the Google search engine. All the same, we must be care­ful not to take an enti­re­ly nega­tive view of these com­pa­nies [Editor’s note : the eco­no­mic and poli­ti­cal influence due to the mar­ket power of these com­pa­nies]. Because their pro­fits are also signi­fi­cant, which shows that there was a real need for them.

Howe­ver, it is not enough to create a need that revo­lu­tio­nises the lives of users to ensure a sub­stan­tial eco­no­mic income. Each of these players seeks to create a world that you would have no desire or inter­est in lea­ving. It is an eco­no­my that revolves around the user’s atten­tion and avai­lable brain time, so that they consume advertising.

In addi­tion, the indis­pen­sa­bi­li­ty of a com­mer­cial ser­vice, such as Ama­zon, also leaves very lit­tle choice for tra­ders wishing to take advan­tage of it. The plat­form, in its terms of use, has esta­bli­shed a num­ber of rules to be fol­lo­wed. The e‑commerce giant the­re­fore reserves the right, via its algo­rithms, to decide how other tra­ders access their ser­vice. The eco­no­mic advan­tages of having a busi­ness on this site are such that, for some, com­plying with the rules and pur­cha­sing Amazon’s logis­tics ser­vices or adver­ti­sing can become a neces­si­ty. The com­pa­ny thus becomes the total mas­ter of the com­mer­cial mar­ket, and also of part of the local eco­no­my of the coun­tries in which it has esta­bli­shed itself. And spea­king of Ama­zon, their strength is also due to their AWS cloud ser­vice. There are a signi­fi­cant num­ber of com­pa­nies that depend on it today. As is the case with the num­ber of eco­no­mic players in each coun­try that depend on net­works for their mar­ke­ting communications.

How did a company like Google manage to gradually establish itself in France ?

Charles Thi­bout. Rela­tions bet­ween states and mul­ti­na­tio­nals have always exis­ted, even if they fluc­tuate. There has never real­ly been a clear split bet­ween the public and pri­vate spheres. Power is never total­ly in the hands of a par­ti­cu­lar ins­ti­tu­tion or actor. It will always be the result of nego­tia­tions bet­ween dif­ferent actors. And, depen­ding on the his­to­ri­cal context, cer­tain types of com­pa­nies, depen­ding on their own strengths, will have an advan­tage over others in these nego­tia­tions. Today, in the digi­tal age, the web giants inevi­ta­bly have more weight.

Google’s esta­blish­ment in France was still fraught with dif­fi­cul­ties. From 2003, a year after the crea­tion of its Pari­sian sub­si­dia­ry, Google suf­fe­red attacks from various French eco­no­mic sec­tors. In fact, its arri­val unset­tled many people, and the poli­ti­cal autho­ri­ties qui­ck­ly became invol­ved. Nota­bly in 2005, with Jacques Chi­rac trying to ini­tiate Euro­pean pro­jects aimed at com­pe­ting with the Ame­ri­can giant. This pro­ject was not suc­cess­ful, but it demons­tra­ted France’s desire to safe­guard its natio­nal sove­rei­gn­ty. French mis­trust of Google would even­tual­ly fade from 2010 onwards, and its image would shift towards that of a poten­tial part­ner in public poli­cy. It was at that point that Google would be seen, in poli­tics, as a means of show­ca­sing the abi­li­ty to inter­vene and act on the world, even though all the indi­ca­tors of poli­ti­cal impo­tence were there. We see this, for example, with the use of Google tech­no­lo­gies by the tax autho­ri­ties. The per­cep­tion of the mul­ti­na­tio­nal is chan­ging, French poli­ti­cians are now see­king to attract these giants to France and convert their capi­tal into poli­ti­cal resources.

Since then, has Google established itself as a French economic player ?

CT. Under Hollande’s five-year term, a slight dip could still be obser­ved. In addi­tion, a tax search of the multinational’s Paris offices took place in 2016. This event, jus­ti­fied by a tax adjust­ment pro­ce­dure, was expe­rien­ced by employees as a real attack, with par­ti­cu­lar­ly dama­ging effects on the image of their com­pa­ny. Google is the first com­pa­ny in France to under­go such a pro­ce­dure on this scale. Its reac­tion was to do eve­ry­thing it could to reap­pear as a nor­mal, res­pon­sible com­pa­ny. And, as such, to be able to bene­fit from the same pri­vi­leges as large French companies.

A recent Stan­ford report high­ligh­ted that around 70% of PhDs spe­cia­li­sing in AI end up in the pri­vate sec­tor, and only 20% in academia.

Google then deci­ded to become French through a pro­cess cal­led the “indi­ge­ni­sa­tion” of the com­pa­ny. This pro­cess involves two things. First, it is neces­sa­ry to recruit French staff, but also staff in high posi­tions in the poli­ti­cal and admi­nis­tra­tive field, such as for­mer senior civil ser­vants. Then, it will be neces­sa­ry to build a sys­tem of alliances with other French eco­no­mic players. These alliances would become a major ele­ment of Google’s indi­ge­ni­sa­tion stra­te­gy during the 2010s, once the recruit­ment of senior civil ser­vants sho­wed all its limi­ta­tions in terms of streng­the­ning ties with the poli­ti­cal autho­ri­ties. In 2013, Google obtai­ned a seat on the board of direc­tors of the Pari­sian sec­tion of MEDEF : an ancho­ring in the field of employer repre­sen­ta­tion that reflec­ted the gro­wing influence of the com­pa­ny, and more gene­ral­ly of digi­tal tech­no­lo­gies, in the eco­no­mic model of French companies.

The com­pa­ny has the­re­fore esta­bli­shed itself as a French eco­no­mic player which, through the ser­vices it offers, helps the deve­lop­ment of other French com­pa­nies. In addi­tion to beco­ming a “French com­pa­ny”, it has become a cen­tral player in the natio­nal eco­no­mic field.

What is the relationship between Big Tech and institutional power ?

JT. This vital­ness, gran­ting such eco­no­mic power to these giants, even extends to poli­ti­cal com­mu­ni­ca­tion. The Aus­tra­lian law debate in 2021 is a good example. Aus­tra­lia wan­ted Google and Meta to pay the country’s press bet­ter. This pro­vo­ked a stan­doff bet­ween the two web giants on the one hand, and the country’s govern­ment on the other. Although this tug-of-war fai­led to get the bill amen­ded, and it became law the fol­lo­wing year, seve­ral ele­ments emer­ged from the conflict. To signal its oppo­si­tion to the ini­tial terms of the bill, Face­book went so far as to block Aus­tra­lians’ access not only to news on its plat­form, but also to govern­ment sites pro­vi­ding sen­si­tive infor­ma­tion to Aus­tra­lians (relief, etc.). Essen­tial­ly, the public autho­ri­ties depen­ded on this net­work. The result was that minis­tries found them­selves without com­mu­ni­ca­tion chan­nels. In the end, Aus­tra­lia did pass a law, but only after making changes that made it more accep­table to Meta and Google.

These companies also have significant influence in the field of digital research and development, don’t they ?

It is true that ano­ther source of influence, and not an insi­gni­fi­cant one, has to do with research. The total bud­get for R&D in France, inclu­ding both public and pri­vate funds, is €60bn. For the GAFAM, it is $200bn – almost exclu­si­ve­ly for digi­tal tech­no­lo­gy. The vast majo­ri­ty of AI research spen­ding today comes from these com­pa­nies, and with this kind of bud­get, they can also afford to set the direc­tion for future research. This power also implies some­thing else in the research world. A recent Stan­ford report high­ligh­ted that around 70% of PhDs spe­cia­li­sing in AI end up in the pri­vate sec­tor, and only 20% in aca­de­mia. Ten years ear­lier, it was 40% in the pri­vate sec­tor and 40% in universities. 

The phe­no­me­non of depen­dence is the­re­fore like­ly to recur for future inno­va­tions, such as gene­ra­tive AI. It is all based on a desire for their eco­no­mic power to last, to conti­nue to grow and to stay ahead of the com­pe­ti­tion ; the rest is just col­la­te­ral damage. And it’s not a ques­tion of natio­na­li­ty. It’s a safe bet that if a French com­pa­ny had simi­lar power, with the same regu­la­tions, its objec­tives would not be any dif­ferent. What needs to be chal­len­ged is the busi­ness model of these online plat­forms. In my book, I pro­pose a regu­la­to­ry model that simul­ta­neous­ly tackles the mar­ket power of the domi­nant digi­tal players while dea­ling with the pro­blems of content, be it online com­merce or social net­works. This is an essen­tial condi­tion for regai­ning power. But of course it’s only a pre­con­di­tion for deve­lo­ping our own sys­tems – it won’t hap­pen overnight.

In conclu­sion, and fur­ther to the com­ments of our resear­chers, we should men­tion gene­ra­tive AI, which can be seen as the next major chal­lenge : will we have the capa­ci­ty to deve­lop our own model, as the Chi­nese have done with Deep­Seek, or will his­to­ry sim­ply repeat itself ?

Interview by Pablo Andres

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