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Why inequality is passed from one generation to the next

Should perceived social inequalities be taken into account?

with Nicolas Duvoux, Professor of Sociology at Université Paris VIII
On November 13th, 2024 |
5 min reading time
Nicolas Duvoux
Nicolas Duvoux
Professor of Sociology at Université Paris VIII
Key takeaways
  • In his essay L’avenir confisqué, Nicolas Duvoux argues for subjective analysis to be taken into account in the social sciences in order to understand the concept of “social hierarchy”.
  • The social position of individuals in society is often classified based on “objective” data, such as their socio-professional categories or income.
  • However, if we also consider “subjective” data, such as their sense of poverty or insecurity, we can obtain a more nuanced view of their social status.
  • Taking into account “feelings of poverty” to understand their social conditions therefore shows that individuals do not feel poor solely because of their income, but also because of their feelings of social insecurity and their inability to see a positive future for themselves.
  • The results of this study need to be used by the public sector to respond to people’s demands for economic and social security.

The rate of income poverty and income inequal­ity has fallen in France since Les Trente Glorieuses (“The Glor­i­ous Thirty” a thirty-year peri­od of eco­nom­ic growth in France between 1945 and 1975). But is so-called object­ive data enough to under­stand the social hier­archy? Wouldn’t people’s per­cep­tions provide the key to a bet­ter under­stand­ing of the cur­rent situ­ation? This is Nic­olas Duvoux’s thes­is, in which he argues for sub­jectiv­ity to be taken into account in the social sciences.

What made you want to write L’avenir confisqué?

The book was born out of an obser­va­tion that there is a gap, sci­en­tific­ally but also socially and polit­ic­ally, between the so-called object­ive apprais­al of social phe­nom­ena and the sub­ject­ive apprais­al that the people con­cerned have of them. Inequal­it­ies, for example, are tra­di­tion­ally con­sidered on the basis of income or socio-pro­fes­sion­al cat­egor­ies. From this so-called object­ive point of view, the situ­ation in France is less unfa­vour­able than in pre­vi­ous peri­ods or in oth­er European coun­tries. But this approach is not enough to assess the cur­rent situation.

A sub­ject­ive ana­lys­is, tak­ing account for example of social unrest, the crisis of con­fid­ence in insti­tu­tions or the gen­er­al level of sat­is­fac­tion of the French people, gives a much more neg­at­ive pic­ture of the state of soci­ety. How can this dis­crep­ancy be resolved? The first way would be to dis­miss the sub­ject­ive view, by con­sid­er­ing that the French people are mis­taken in their assess­ment. The oth­er approach, which I defend and put into prac­tice in the book, is to con­sider that, on the con­trary, sub­jectiv­ity can be a factor that leads to a bet­ter assess­ment of the situ­ation. The thes­is of this book can be summed up as fol­lows: let’s take sub­ject­ive rep­res­ent­a­tions very ser­i­ously, let’s eval­u­ate them as sci­entif­ic prob­lems, and let’s try to ana­lyse soci­ety afresh on the basis of tak­ing them into account.

What evidence is there to support this thesis?

The sub­ject­ive approach has demon­strated its rel­ev­ance in vari­ous fields. Let me give you two examples. The first is the per­ceived tem­per­at­ure, a stat­ist­ic­al con­ven­tion that incor­por­ates wind and humid­ity in addi­tion to ambi­ent tem­per­at­ure in an attempt to identi­fy physiolo­gic­al reac­tions. This tem­per­at­ure gives us an idea that is closer to what might be con­sidered the truth from an epi­stem­o­lo­gic­al point of view – and so in this sense it is more “object­ive” than ambi­ent tem­per­at­ure alone. It is clear that there is no such thing as real­ity on the one hand and the sub­ject­ive on the oth­er: the sub­ject­ive is also a set of stat­ist­ic­al con­ven­tions, and it gives us a closer view of the phenomenon.

I found the second example in epi­demi­ology. Numer­ous stud­ies, most not­ably led by the Brit­ish epi­demi­olo­gist Michael Mar­mot, have shown that the way in which patients per­ceive their social status is more pre­dict­ive of future deteri­or­a­tion in their state of health than their object­ive social status. Here again, incor­por­at­ing sub­jectiv­ity gives access to a wealth of inform­a­tion that is not access­ible to so-called object­ive assessment.

You have conducted numerous surveys of the top, middle and bottom of the social hierarchy using this subjective approach.  What are the overall conclusions you draw?

It’s clear that the sub­ject­ive abil­ity to see a pos­it­ive future for one­self is a highly rel­ev­ant way of inter­pret­ing soci­ety: not only does it allow us to describe the social hier­archy, but it also explains the unequal rela­tion­ships that devel­op with­in it and how they are repro­duced. On the first point, it is some­times said that the polit­ic­al and social crises we are exper­i­en­cing are due to an increase in inequal­ity since Les Trente Glorieuses. This state­ment needs to be con­firmed. It’s true that the wealth­i­est people are get­ting rich­er, and that more and more of their wealth is being inher­ited. But what we are wit­ness­ing is not so much an explo­sion in inequal­ity as a reversal of the feel­ing of secur­ity into a feel­ing of insec­ur­ity. Dur­ing Les Trente Glorieuses, life may have been hard, but there was a wide­spread pro­spect of pro­gress, of improve­ment in the indi­vidu­al and col­lect­ive situ­ation. That has now dis­ap­peared for a whole sec­tion of the population.

According to your approach, the poor are people who can no longer see a real future for themselves. Who are they?

Togeth­er with soci­olo­gist Adrien Papuchon, we have car­ried out a cross-ana­lys­is of the under­stand­ing of poverty, on the one hand based on object­ive meas­ure­ments and on the oth­er hand based on meas­ur­ing people’s feel­ing of poverty. Both approaches res­ult in around 15% of the pop­u­la­tion being clas­si­fied as “poor”. But there is only par­tial over­lap between these two groups, which means that some people who are not con­sidered poor from an object­ive point of view con­sider them­selves to be poor, and vice versa.

The group formed by the sub­ject­ive approach is more het­ero­gen­eous than the “object­ive” group: it includes people who are not in employ­ment (gen­er­ally iden­ti­fied by the object­ive approach) as well as blue-col­lar work­ers, white-col­lar work­ers, full-time employ­ees, retir­ees, small-scale self-employed work­ers, etc., who are not clas­si­fied as “poor” by the object­ive approach. This study has there­fore made it pos­sible to quanti­fy and approach in a stat­ist­ic­ally extremely robust way the diverse social mix that has mobil­ised in the Gilets jaunes (Yel­low Vests)movement.

What determines this ability to see a future and the associated feeling of security or insecurity?

We have shown that for the most dis­ad­vant­aged men, being in a couple has a strong pro­tect­ive effect. But the key determ­in­ant is wealth. For those who have it, it provides a form of sta­bil­ity and tem­por­al secur­ity. What mat­ters is not so much the con­cen­tra­tion of wealth as the abil­ity to invest it in soci­ety. This open­ness ensures a form of con­trol over one’s own life, that of one’s chil­dren, the trans­mis­sion of wealth, and soci­ety as a whole. 

On the oth­er hand, the fact of not hav­ing any assets exposes people to a form of rampant social insec­ur­ity and a feel­ing of dis­pos­ses­sion. This is very clear for retired people, for example. Few of them are poor in mon­et­ary terms, but more and more of them feel poor. These people are often ten­ants, and don’t see their future as any­thing oth­er than inev­it­ably deteri­or­at­ing as a res­ult of the rising cost of living.

How can the public authorities take these findings into account?

There is a very strong demand for secur­ity, sta­bil­ity and a sense of belong­ing to soci­ety. Pop­u­lists have clearly under­stood this and are build­ing their appeal pre­cisely on the idea of regain­ing con­trol. But if we are to ana­lyse the situ­ation in detail and come up with last­ing solu­tions, I believe we need to listen care­fully and deeply to what this insec­ur­ity is express­ing, and fight against the tempta­tion to dis­miss the sub­ject­ive. It there­fore seems to me cru­cial that pub­lic stat­ist­ics, first and fore­most, take account of sub­ject­ive data in under­stand­ing social pos­i­tions, in addi­tion to so-called object­ive data. In this con­text, the abil­ity to see a future appears to be an indic­at­or – like the per­ceived tem­per­at­ure men­tioned earli­er – that gives very accur­ate access to a person’s social pos­i­tion: when you make a self-assess­ment of your situ­ation, you take into account your resources, your assets, your abil­ity to devel­op pro­fes­sion­ally, etc. It’s not just a ques­tion of being able to pro­ject your­self into the future.

Then, of course, it’s not a mat­ter of the pub­lic author­it­ies dir­ectly trans­pos­ing people’s feel­ings into pub­lic policy, but of rework­ing the demands for secur­ity in a col­lect­ive way. Bourdieu’s work has shown that there is a very close and com­plex rela­tion­ship between these expect­a­tions of secur­ity, these sub­ject­ive pro­jec­tions of vary­ing degrees of anxi­ety, and people’s rela­tion­ship to hous­ing, employ­ment, and so on. For example, own­ing one’s own home has become a fun­da­ment­al value today, provid­ing sta­bil­ity. But the hous­ing mar­ket is under severe pres­sure. A lit­er­al trans­la­tion of the import­ance attached to home own­er­ship might be to extend the max­im­um term of mort­gages. That’s not what I’m advoc­at­ing at all. I recom­mend work­ing on col­lect­ive ways of eas­ing these ten­sions, but with the main aim of giv­ing people sta­bil­ity and the abil­ity to plan ahead. This must be a polit­ic­al pri­or­ity, but it must also guide the sci­entif­ic pro­gramme of human sci­ences such as sociology.

Interview by Anne Orliac

Works and stud­ies cited:

N.Duvoux, L’avenir con­fisqué. Inégal­ités de temps vécu, classes sociales et pat­rimoine, PUF, 2023.

N. Duvoux, A. Papuchon, Qui se sent pauvre en France ? Pauvreté sub­ject­ive et insé­cur­ité sociale, Revue française de soci­olo­gie, 59–4, 2018, pp. 607–647

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